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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JT900, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. JT900

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    The community has spoken @Jacobg1998 @IgnitingIce .
    Time and time again, new threads are popping up on things you should be doing. Members have left in droves because of your inability to actually listen.

    In case you need reminders the community wants you to listen:
    https://havocmc.net/threads/how-to-save-havoc.6461/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/my-brutally-honest-opinion.6457/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/tmd-dying-and-a-personal-take-on-it.6455/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/6460/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/staff-guide-revamp-staff-revamp.6358/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/this-is-annoying.6447/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/where-are-my-bought-items.6399/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/disappointed.6426/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/personally-this-is-an-all-time-low.6434/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/ideas.6441/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/tmd-idea-thread.6425/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/is-a-mw-update-ever-going-to-happen.6103/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/the-pvp-communitys-dichotomy-can-we-agree-on-something.6454/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/havoc-mode-poll.6378/
    https://havocmc.net/threads/a-more-engaging-tmd.5549/

    Here are multiple examples of the community wishing up new things for the server. And most of this was just from what the "New Posts" part of this site had.

    I get it though, TMD is supposed to be the golden child of the server. The bastion of all that is Havoc, but treating your community you created like they don't have a voice, it will end up killing your server faster than those oh so expensive server bills you're trying to pay for.
    Bring back the modes you left behind and actually work on them. Get a more competent staff team and actual dedicated builders. There's so much you could be doing.
    And since you won't tell us what's upcoming, we all feel kinda screwed over. Staff (and @Katitude , apparently) update confidentiality isn't really fair to us members, now is it?

    #ReviveHavoc

    P.s. To the staff members who were actually for the community instead of against, I don't mean you in this thread. I'm sure you know your duties well and are more competent than the rest of your colleagues.

    Anyways, peace out. Let's not let Havoc shoot itself in the foot again, eh?
     
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  2. Cat_Squirrel_Inc

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    Preach it, sis. Communication has killed this server.
     
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  3. Pawndah

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    no point in this thread, owners wont do shit.
     
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  4. Kyritic

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    I don't know how many times I have typed this and I am really struggling to find other ways to type it so I am not straight up repeating myself, so instead read this earlier post of mine: https://havocmc.net/threads/where-i-am-at-with-the-servers-community-currently.6395/

    I can't speak for the moderation team so I won't. We are around 3 weeks away from one of the biggest TMD map updates yet, We have spent the past year grinding every day for hours on end doing skins, textures, buildings, and a trailer that I hope to drop soon. Show some god damn respect and maybe then you'll see results.

    I know you said you were addressing only certain members of staff, but the fact you even mentioned builders being bad shows you don't know shit about shit. Every builder currently on the staff team are there for a reason, because of that Cat was demoted due to lack of work and attitude, and then she has the audacity to demand shit.

    You're the one shooting yourself in the foot with comments like those.
     
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  5. Katitude

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    This isn’t the builders fault, nor is it the staff team’s fault. That’s not fair. Half the time staff are yelled at, they don’t even know why certain things are happening with the game modes(s).
     
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  6. Pawndah

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    tbh, no one ever asked for a new map. no one. you guys are just trying to ruin the server by constantly updating what DOESNT need to be updated.
     
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  7. Kyritic

    Kyritic Community Manager

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    Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. You found out our evil plan of trying to ruin the server. Too bad, you're getting one, and if that means you leave aswell because of it that's two birds with one stone.
     
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  8. seuboi

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    Let's all chill out rite?
    Just because someone misunderstood builder's role doesn't mean we all do. It's been told us over and over again that u guys were doing multiple stuff, even related to programing, so alrite, put ur shit together, you staff guys know better than anyone how toxicity is around here (and how nothing is done about it).

    Second, all of these arguments are just reflecting op's point: they're still not talking with us. If you builders are overloaded and/or are beeing misguided is not our problem, but theirs. Look at the shit ton of arguments, suggestions, a clear sign that two of the nost played game plays cannot coexist under the same rules, yet nothing is done (or at least it's what we, community, feel about it). Who's final decision about everything? About this stupid leader board ranking/ modifying health / weapons dmg / mobs and then rolling back wtf?
    From an organization point this server is rekt, there's no way denying it. No one trusts their plans anymore, who knows they'll rollback (as they did many times) for the fucking sake of convenience?
     
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  9. JT900

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    - Fuck you too, my dude.
    - I've read that thread. I've known it has existed.
    - Not that many people asked for a TMD map update. New items, weather, and vehicles, sure. But the map wasn't that bad already.
    - Yeah, some staff aren't in the wrong. Builders are staff, too. So some builders aren't in the wrong. You get it now?

    It's not shooting myself in the foot when I show the owners that the community wants actual results. That's the opposite, in fact.

    Preaching to the choir.

    I've seen some unruly shit from staff members in the past. Like almost demote-worthy stuff. The only reason they were never punished is because they were never caught by the owners or the actual good staff members.
     
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  10. Kyritic

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    You just said not that many people, Not that many people wanted mine wars either. So either you think you're above these people, or you didn't think your argument through enough. "Calling out" the owners isn't gonna get results, they're gonna look at the title and think you're a bit of a knob and get back to work.
     
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  11. JT900

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    Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the MW community to notice.
    People have left the server because MW is gone. A good chunk of the server and its members, just gone.
    The members on the MW channel of Discord wanted it back.
    There were literally threads on these very forums that wanted MW to return.

    Are you blind?
     
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  12. Kyritic

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    Not many in comparison to the TMD demand
     
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  13. JBentley694

    JBentley694 Builder

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    Okay so Im put in my two cents worth and try to resolve this mashed up conflict once again.
    Okay first off we read and and look at every suggestion and comment that comes our way both on forums and on discord. Many suggestions have been suggested over the past countless times and for those we have countless times explained why said suggestions cant be implemented at the moment.

    We know you all hate that MineWars is shut down for now but we hope its not forever. As stated by multiple members of the developing team and a couple owners the development cost to keep minewars afloat was draining more money then any of our other game modes and basically depleting funds to keep Havoc online. Again we the build/development team do not believe MineWars is in a permanent closure but it will take some time to work things out that will be ethical to the entire server.

    >>IMPORTANT<<
    So as many of you know by now either by reading news post or asking some of us we were asked well actually told earlier this year we had to be EULA compliant with Microsoft's new rules as they are now the ones in charge. The recent changes in pvp mechanics is because of this factor in which our server can not be play to win or have any higher perks to players just because they have the cash. Again this is Microsoft's rule not ours but being they have hammered down on how independent servers operate we are trying our best to transition into this new path they are setting for us. We know you guys miss the old pvp mechanics and set up but again they state that a player who has just joined the server needs to have the same ability to win as our veteran players. These are guidelines servers must follow or risk shutdown.

    So I saw some comments about the map and I just want to say sorry if you hate it but we have fans who love it. This is a TWD based server and that's what we keep things in touch with. Unlike those who gripe about every little thing we do we actually have players who are ecstatic and grateful for the changes we make and we love doing them. So I guess bottomline is is if you hate the map and hate change then you are out of luck cause we have amazing and super knockout things coming.

    As for the comments about the owners I will just say this. Jacob and Igniting are two of the greatest guys you could ever talk too. You may choose to think they do not not listen but they do and the reason things are the way they are now is because of all the stuff I said above. I have seen Jacob work day after day without even leaving for sleep creating minewars. You can say they don't care but they do and it hurts them just as much as the players to see there creation taken down. They do listen and they are currently trying their best to work something out that will help revive some lost game modes. People forget that if it wasn't for them we wouldn't even have a server to be a part of it. They turned a vision into a reality and for the past 5 years they have done everything in their power to let Havoc live on. I will stand by them and my fellow staff members until the day the lights go out but that wont happen because I wont let it happen. I will be there for all of them to help pick things up and build up.

    Now if you have any more questions or just want to send me some hate mail feel free to message me. You can find me on here or discord.
     
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  14. Cat_Squirrel_Inc

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    What? I mean, I know I asked for an explanation, but not really sure what my "demands" were... Demote was fair tho, I accept it :)


    I also find it ironic that I get demoted for attitude while Ky's out here spewin' stuff. I mean, his reason was similar to my snap: finally fed up with everyone's shit, ya know? Idk, yell at me, call me bipolar, I really don't give a hoot. I still think Ky's a cool dewd, but like.... follow your own rules...?
     
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  15. Katitude

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    If you’ve seen unruly things from a staff member or multiple staff members, you need to REPORT that instead or complaining over things that you’re able to help fix. Why would you witness that and not tell anyone? If you have reported it, then you should’ve mentioned it in this thread so people don’t think you’re simply complaining.
     
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  16. JT900

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    Because they got reported by other players, from what I was told at the time.
    So it pretty much solved itself I hope.
     
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    I'm honestly tired of these threads, just move on.

    I'm also tired of people defending this server. Just stop replying to them, simple as that.
    All of this is just of bunch of name calling and pointless protesting.

    All y'all are immature, unfit to be in any position of authority. Go back to irl and do something in your life instead of harassing strangers online.

    Just end the endless shit talking on both sides or I'll clap all of you for being immature and unresolving cucks who get joy for complaining...
     
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  18. Firelillx

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    AMENNNNNNN. Can these threads stop? Also really shocked at krytics blowing up. I totally understand why he did, but damn that’s just not good. Builders work hard and deserve respect. This thread just baits drama and further bitching and moaning about the server.

    Guys. It’s titanic. The ship is fcking snapped in half and sinking. This post just makes it sink faster.

    My advice? Quit complaining and just play and have fun. Who knows, if everyone stopped complaining and started having fun, maybe we wouldn’t sink as fast.
     
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  19. Draw4

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    Y’all still pointing fingers over minecraft LOL. We all know who’s fault it was. Mr.Potatos fault for not helping Ms.Potato find her eyeball! Why? Well you need two eyeballs to provide good tmd updates, Ms.Potato couldn’t do that!
     
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  20. general2673

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    ok. so out of the gate- i know you meant well with this post @JT900 but i have to say this was a bit "nuclear" with who it pinned the "blame" on. tmd is the golden child to use your words and to put it bluntly havoc would fall within a fairly short time if money was diverted to the other gamemodes as it stands right now. the owners have a plan to fix the cost problem. in time we may even see some of the long lost gamemodes return. to the owner's credit, they have kept the server online for over five years. they may not respond directly to the community, but they do listen and put in the changes they can. however i cant defend them on the point of them needing to respond just to put all this debate to rest. ive always said they are good on the buisness side of management- we wouldnt have lasted 5 years if they were not. however, in my opinion they have been lacking the public relations part recently.

    i take issue with this. but we should all consider their side as well.

    with ben resigning they lost their right hand. school has started which makes the owners have less time to manage the server. on top of that they are working on a very... involved plan to get havoc back on its feet (no im not talking about the update- though that is going to help as well).

    updates are announced in time. (ignoring the jab at kat ;) ) We all saw what happens if an update is announced to far in advance. quite frankly- shit happens. something breaks, or funds are short. that was a painful lesson the owners learned. they will announce when they are sure it will happen. lastly. the moderation staff used to be overseen by the admin but are now led by the two sr mods. the owners have little direct contact with the lower staff. as a former staff i can safely say they are a very underappreciated branch of havoc's support structure. most staff cant even play the server at times because they instead chose to moderate the chat and make the server a cleaner place. yes they make errors. they are also non-paid minecraft players who want to help out.
    the builders- I cant exactly support @Kyritic in the words used but i agree with every word. im a trial builder myself. ive not had much time online at all on the server due to school and other irl events, and i actually feel bad not being able to help them. however everytime i log on without fail, i see a builder online sometimes many. the map was built from the ground up by these people. some may not be here anymore but if any group can be called dedicated- its these guys. there are dozens if not hundreds of mini projects they have on the world. they work night and day to build the map you play on right now. its because of the devs and (owners? i heard igniting codes) that you have guns and the builders that you can fight in a military base or a prison not a few dirt huts.

    @Kyritic im gonna skip the "be polite" speech. i get the reason you said it and i dont exactly disagree entirely with the wording. it shows you care enough to be angered by someone saying you dont care. the fact you responded that way clearly shows you care about the map, and the server and that says a lot.


    to the people that say you dont want a map update- thats cool. the builders exist to update the map, and i dont get why people are so against the map update. i would have thought people would be happy about the new locations to fight at. but if not, you can avoid the new ares. berx, prison and atlanta will still be there. however there are a few insanely detailed locations from the show, games and even some random "apocalypse" builds. new locations, new ways to fight. also remember its a walking dead server. if you watch the show, you appreciate the builds more than the average player. the detail is insane.

    just my take
    -general
     
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